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D. Allan Drummond's avatar

Great piece, Claus. Very much enjoying the rebirth of your blog.

"Biology is just physics and chemistry" -- you discuss the "levels of organization" later, but perhaps it's worth saying that "just" in the first quote is bearing more weight than is reasonable, and in the second quote, "levels" may have a more precise definition. There are layers of emergence between the physics/chemistry and the biology, that is, phenomena at some scale which are not reducible to features at smaller scales, even though the phenomena arise purely from smaller-scale features (consciousness from neurons, waterfalls from water molecules, murmurations from starlings, selective permeability from masses of lipids, etc.). As Phil Anderson pointed out, emergence acts as a kind of insulation between layers. So there is nothing to be gained by having a better theory of quantum mechanics when considering the behavior of starlings.

Lacking even any particularly useful theory of emergence, and confronted with the obvious wild variety of emergent phenomena, it seems likely that predictive theories of biology, which rests on a stack of emergence, are unknowably far off. Not that we won't have niche examples where we can do fairly well (cf. AlphaFold), but having an example in one niche helps us (where us includes AI) not at all with the next niche.

Tim Duignan's avatar

Interesting piece I certainly know what you mean and your point about Baker labs making it seemed like protein design was solved a decade ago was spot on i remember being confused about that and why we didn’t see more uses in real world.

I kind of have a totally opposite experience with neural network potentials though. These try to do exactly what you’re saying re simulating from the ground up. I routinely find them remarkably more capable than I would expect. For instance here I took one trained on crystal structures of small highly ordered periodic systems and used it to simulate the potassium ion channel and reproduced several known features + some new ones that are consistent with mutational studies. https://arxiv.org/abs/2411.18931 and here I simulate carbonic anhydrase where it also seemed to do a remarkably great job. ( https://arxiv.org/abs/2503.13789) Obviously still not perfect but the newer models are already a lot better than the one I used in those papers. I think their are at the right level of abstraction that the data is simple enough that it can be fully learnt but not so simple that it can be fitted l by hand.

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